Daniel Negreanu : “Doug Polk attacks people to sell his products !”

Daniel Negreanu : “Doug Polk attacks people to sell his products !”


This is his business Doug Polk business is
attack people bigger than him so that he brings people to his site so then is changing that into money them on you know
sells his product Thanks to be with us, so let’s talk first about the most recent, obviously you know what i talking about “The Player of the Year” so it was a really tought battle during the last week in Rozvadov and you learned when you landed in the
u.s. that you whereas the Player of the Year but then a few days later you
received a phone call saying that it was actually Robert Campbell who won so I
guess it was a real roller coaster of emotions there was a lot of reaction and
social media how did you andle everything so I’ll be honest with you when I got
the news I wasn’t I thought I was gonna be very upset or angry but I wasn’t
because I thought about what i did i went to Razvi doll with my intention to
leave with the most points and win Player of the Year and I did I
accomplished my goal and this is all a personal journey it’s all about silly
goals there’s no money on the line it didn’t cost me anything other than a
picture in the Rio so in the end I was happy for Robert Campbell I felt like he
was deserving I was proud of the accomplishments that I put together
obviously had I known the points were different I would have played different
in a lot of the tournaments especially the last one and then of course some of
the reaction I mean you know you had Doug Polk and Shaun Deeb both like accused
me of knowing the points were wrong which isn’t surprising to me because
this is their what they do they just baselessly accuse people of something
with no evidence just yeah I think so very very bad thing to say in poker to
somebody that you’re a cheater without any evidence and I have lots of evidence
to show that I didn’t know and all they have is well he pays attention to this
dope dough so he must have known dull I’m an idiot though I’m a troll doll
like that’s all they got like it’s so stupid it’s very typical you know truth
is irrelevant, vraiment ce n’est pas important it doesn’t matter to them
they don’t give a shit about the truth yeah that was that was actually my next
next question where you surprised and hurt by the comments and like strong
accusations they made against you Shaun Deeb and Doug Polk but apparently you are
not really… how would I be surprised this is his business Doug Polk business is
attack people bigger than him so that he brings people to his site so then he
changes that into money where he puts them on you know
sells his product that’s what he’s been doing for since he started it’s not new
he’s been attacking me with lies for five six years it’s it’s just an
extension of that – of course I’m never surprised when he has something bad to
say about me of course and did you add the occasion to talk
with Shaun Deeb during the last WSOP in Rozvadov i was civil with him
because i realized like his brain doesn’t work like a normal person
he sure it doesn’t he has like a lack of empathy or understanding because he said
on January 3rd I was got engaged January 1st to my wife Amanda On January 3rd he
tweeted I can’t wait I can’t wait for the divorce tweet who says that not a
normal person so I said what’s wrong with you his friend said Shaun why would
you say something like that so from that point on he’s never apologized never
acknowledged that what he said is wrong doesn’t seem to care so I realized he’s
just a little “coucou” so I see him that way and I don’t take them all that
seriously anymore because his brain doesn’t work right just something’s
wrong yeah okay I understand yet no it’s it’s normal to be angry you know it’s
because when you’re attacking everyday for you say six years or do you endl
being attacked very often it’s not at that time you know because you’re you’re
a public person so how do you endure it yeah well for the most part like 99% of
it just ignore it don’t bother but when somebody makes a
serious accusation like says you’re a cheater and you lied or you didn’t know
the points then it’s important to speak out and show all the evidence which
shows that absolutely not you’re dead wrong and you know that’s
that’s not okay to do if you come after me with
stuff I don’t care come after my wife for nothing she doesn’t even know who
Shaun Deeb is she first said who is this fucking guy I don’t even know who he is
and you know so for him to say that I have to respond and you know show
respect for my wife but mostly I think the approach is just ignore it and
realize that a lot of times people don’t like you because they want to be you
they want to have what you have they they and you know jealousy hatred it’s
easy to have mob mentality when you’re in the top of your industry whatever it
is a lot of people instead of trying to climb themselves they want to pull you
down and step on your shoulders and that’s never a good strategy long term
as a life strategy mm-hmm and then yet to come back about to the WSOP and the
Player of the Year system do you think because you already complained many
years ago about the system and do you think that this incident this year will
push more the organization to change the system to be more about quality instead
of quantity of and min cash I hope so that’s what I’ve been pushing for three
years and the main idea I have to fix it is to limit the number of cash that
count you can come up with whatever number you want whether it’s 10 12 or 15
I don’t care pick a number so that you know Chris Ferguson and the other
players who just lays last minute Reg try to double up and get 50 60 points
for Player of the Year its makes for stupid poker like in rostov I was
vlogging and I was showing people like this is what I’m doing I’m going all-in
to try to double up to get a min cash it’s like not poker you know we want to
celebrate wins final tables not oh I came 785 in to Colossus who cares that’s
not a big deal shouldn’t get any points for that hmm and yeah you had an amazing
year you got married you quit Pokerstars after of 12 years of sponsorship
your vlog is really booming how this year was like a life-changing for you
well you mentioned the missed biggest and most important one which was you
know marrying my wife Amanda Leatherman great story about that that many people
don’t know is about 10 years ago I bought a ring for her take to ask her to
marry me but I never gave it to her she was young
one party have fun I was in a different
place you know I was older you know much you ready to you know get settled down
she’s like I want to have fun and live so we split you know I kept the ring for
10 years in my safe I never got rid of it and she came back to Vegas to do a
show and we started talking again and I you know we had two chemistry
she’s grown as a person I’ve grown as a person to where now it makes sense and
it works so we’re like well hey I have this ring so I might as well give it to
you so she accepted and you know it’s been blissful like we she’s the perfect
wife for me in every way she fully understands poker how to be supportive
how she know she knows like when I get knocked out of a tournament my brain is
not available for discussion I can’t talk about the drapes or the color of
the bathroom or shoes no I’m still thinking like well the guy check-raise
the turn the bottom pair maybe I could have called shove whoa and then you get
like my head I’m not you know what I mean like I can be sitting next to you
but I’m not really there right but she understands then she doesn’t think it
personal she knows I need my my time and space to just you know think that’s what
makes you good at poker though he’s like after you play you should be thinking
about all the hands and going okay what did i do right what did I do wrong
what can I do better next time yeah it’s pretty crazy that you kept that ring
for so long I know yeah yeah my ex-girlfriend probably didn’t like it very
much tell anybody you know and yeah about about PokerStars it was also a big
change for you because you stayed with them for 12 years and so what was the
main motivation for you to to just uh take your freedom well you know twelve
years is a long time as you said you know you don’t use my audio okay sorry
much yeah yeah so twelve years is a long time as you mentioned and I feel like at
some point sometimes like being in the same thing you can get what’s called
stagnated or you know it’s kind of going to the motions
and for them they’re like definitely going in a different direction you know
you saw leaving Igor recently you know split with the company and they’re
they’re just they’re changing the model for how they’re doing things and I’m
also going in a different direction myself so it just made sense at this
time to side of like okay you have a different direction for the way you want
to go the company I have a diff direction for where I want to take my
life but I have nothing bad to say about the many years there’s obviously one
moment and the only moment that I fully regret within the company was the SNE
debacle where they screwed over the players and didn’t honor an agreement
that they that they had that was a tough time for me because I didn’t agree with
the decision I don’t run the company so I vote was vocal I never defended it
because I think it was outrageous and terrible and I don’t think from a PR
perspective they will ever recover from that because people are always gonna
have a negative view of PokerStars from that time and I don’t think they’re ever
gonna fix that necessarily but other than that like changes they make and
trying to keep up with you know with the the changing nature of Poker and how
tough it’s become and they’re trying to stay in business and doing what other
companies are doing I don’t have a problem with that stuff the SNE thing
was one where I look back with regret that I couldn’t do more yeah as you said
PokerStars will never fully recover from what they did and they received a lot of
criticism but you also did when you were still have the sponsorship with them
that people were saying you were not completely honest and you could not
totally speak freely so do you think that know that you’re not with them
anymore things are changing for you the way the people look at you now so that’s
absolutely not true like what people are it’s absolutely not
true I was 100% transparent and honest I was telling people privately what my
plans were everything I did I was on the phone with David Baazov four hours a
day trying to convince him to honor this deal several times I got him on the end
the call and he’s like okay you’re right we’re gonna do it yes and then the next
morning he talked to other people said we can’t do it you know so everything
that I you know I went through during that period was like trying to get them
to honor this agreement there’s nothing that I said well I was with PokerStars
that was a lie I would take a hundred lie detector tests to prove that you
know my views on what makes sense for an ecosystem and I’ve talked about this
many times right there’s three parts to an ecosystem the losing players the
winning players and then the house right there’s three things that make make a
poker game right one of them you need the other two you don’t the all
one you need are the losing players take out the winning players you know you
have the house and they keep playing take out the house run the game yourself
you’re good if you don’t have losing players winning players won’t play so
there’s no games so it’s finished fini c’est fini
right “c’est plus, plus important” to focus on you know making sure that the people
that deposit and don’t withdraw that they’re having fun that they have a
chance to win and if that means that it cuts into the pros profit so that the
company can stay alive so be it that’s just the way it has to be and I know
pros they think of themselves like Oh for me I’m gonna lose you know revenue
okay well did losing some or getting none is a big difference right it’s so I
mean in the book bottom line it’s a business right whatever Chuck price they
charge if you go buy a shirt or you go buy a sandwich and you don’t like the
price don’t buy it don’t buy it nobody forces you to buy it you don’t
like don’t buy if you don’t like their pricing so fine”fini” bye-bye and then
yeah about like the vlogging so it’s it’s really like getting crazy you we’re
doing it all the time in Rozvadov so oh oh like what the impact you have
with that today like how many people look at your vlog was the next the next
goals you have with that project what do you want to do next yeah what was really
fun with the vlog I do it in the world series in Las Vegas
and also you know did it in Rozvadov and I get like pretty close to like a
hundred thousand views every day of people watching the reason I did the
vlog partly especially in Europe was because I sold packages to people so
they could like have a piece of me and they could root and many people were
following the World Series of Poker not on poker news or looking on the internet
they were just watching my vlog so they didn’t know the results so it’s kind of
like reality TV show right I thought it was a good way to you know sort of bring
in new people in a different way and have them see like the ups and downs
like I edit the thing like I send the video sometimes I act like an asshole
like really not nice right I’m pissed off I’m angry whatever I could delete
that but I don’t because I want people to see the truth “le vraiment” I’m all right I
was like you know it’s not always yeah you know sometimes I get annoyed
sometimes when I just get bust a tournament five people grab me say hey
can I get a picture sometimes I go what are you leave me alone you know I’m
normal human being you know and I think people start to see that more and I
think it’s best to keep it that way where it’s you know not where it’s
authentic are you editing yourself yo your vlog. No so the process works like
this I shoot the video pretty much all of it throughout the day you know of
myself whatever I see is interesting we upload it to an iCloud ok then Christian
and Athena who is Eric Froelich wife well you know from poker as well he she at
night she takes all the footage edits together Christian helps with the music
so that way we have a quick turnaround so like during the summer you know she
wakes up around midnight she starts editing and then by you know
9 a.m. the next day it’s up so everybody can view it you
know pretty fresh because you know the world now we live if you show the vlog 7
days later everybody knows already it’s old news so we wanted to keep it fresh
and and that’s the system we use so I don’t actually edit them but I have to
say like if I see something funny like chainsaw Allen Kessler a lot of people
said ok put a little bit with you know a chainsaw and something funny around that
and so I give her some things that I want in there and then she she does a
great job with it mm-hmm and yeah you were also selling action
with no markup during the WSOP right yeah yeah I mean listen so I could sell
it markup significantly right I could sell it a lot like I mean I could take
advantage of people if I wanted to um but ultimately like I don’t really care
that much about money I really don’t I never did whether I had money or whether
I didn’t have any money I never cared like oh I need money to buy a watch I
don’t care about stuff like that so for me if I was gonna do this I would have
felt a little weird about charging people like you know interest or
something like that what we end up having to do because the transaction
fees it’s stupid for me to have to pay them all so you know we just say that
you have to cover the transaction fees so we’d like to basically a pay maybe one
point zero five or four three depending on their thing but for me it was
important to just do it that way because I didn’t care about you know the small
amount of money I could pull in and doesn’t change in my life so and I think
you know for people it’s a you know a good investment for sure and
yeah where’s the next vlog gonna be so it’s funny I just saw the schedule for
Australia and there might be some other events running around Australia in
January so if I do go and I haven’t decided yet
it could be a long trip if I do go to that tournament then I will also vlog as
long as I get permission because when you’re in the casinos and stuff I want a
vlog I don’t want to get in trouble so I have to ask permission and make sure
it’s okay but I would imagine it’s good they would see that it’s good for them
free promotion like why wouldn’t you want me to show off your casino everyday
seems like obvious you do a masterclass I have in September so what was you your
goal or your everybody now do a masterclass why you what was the the
point to do this ? oh my so mine is completely different
for a couple reasons first of all I’m working with masterclass.com if you
look at who works with masterclass.com it’s the pinnacle people in their
industry Martin Scorsese teaches directing Serena Williams teach tennis,
Wolfgang Puck teaches cooking yeah we don’t know we don’t know these people I’m joking
so all like the top of their class and they do such high-end work and what I
also liked about it was so what a lot of the master class people do it’s for
poker players right just people who really really play poker master class
reaches a much wider audience of people who are not in the poker world they
don’t follow the new poker news all the time but let’s say they’re looking at a
video of you know Steph Curry to teach to show teach how to basketball then
they see poker they say oh maybe I’ll watch this one too and get interested so
it was an opportunity to expand and they did so much marketing you probably every
time you watch a youtube video before you watch a poker one the master class
comes up you know because they spend it’s been very well received they did
you know they were very happy with the results of what we did and what what’s
the main difference between yours and Phil Ivey’s. So with mine and Phil’s
obviously Phil’s a shorter so mine is a little more extensive and
you know Phil is more I think based off of like hands he’s played discussing his
thought process and things throughout so like you’re hearing from Phil I be like
how he approaches poker so that’s basically like that’s what you would
learn it’s like how does Phil approach it me I try to take it from a different
perspective and teach you how to do it and teach you how to think about it so I
do share of course like he does how I play hands and how I’ve played hands in
the past but I’m also teaching people basic principles concepts some very like
nerdy high-end concepts but I try to do it in English to maybe I’ll do it in
French someday too but I try to do it in a language that people can understand
because you know when poker nerds talk sometimes you’re like oh you have to
metacognition bifurcate your ranges in blah blah blah like what the hell what
language is this for average people they don’t know what you’re talking about so
I try to take that information that’s very good and explain it to them
so they go aha I understand a few years ago you well playing high-stakes poker
the famous cash game show now a days there is a treat on poker cash game that’s
like the dependent for the cash game show we will see you in this show maybe
one day you know I didn’t know much to be honest about writing a year ago I was
like I don’t know it’s this thing but then I watched the million dollar
charity event at Bryn Kenney won and I was like home here like betting on it with
friends watching every day and I’m like man I want to be there so bad it looking
so cool really because I think what Triton understands you know we talked
about this before the the ecology of Poker winning players losing players
and the house they understand better than anybody the most important player
your real VIP is the player who’s losing money so they set up an event fantastic
idea where businessmen got to play and they got to pick a pro who got to play
as well and then the first six hours of the tournament the businessman played
with the businessman and the pros had to play with each other and then they
combine like that so really good idea to give businessman not a feeling of like
I’m tape being taken advantage of I’m a sucker nobody wants that
like if you’re a businessman who has a lot of money maybe you don’t mind losing
a million but do you want to feel like embarrassed by playing with like eight
top pros you look like a you know fool you want
some kind of a chance so they understand that better than anybody and I
definitely think in the future I’ll be attending Trident events mm-hmm ShiShi
you want to ask something Daniel you know after the the last
part of our show it’s called “The Partie Technique” you know we study a hand
with our guest so could you say in French “c’est la
parie technique avec ShiShi” “C’est là..” said it again
“C’est la partie technique avec ShiShi” another question a question it’s not
about poker at all but you really like you always been really vocal on social
media everywhere about politics and you’re supporting Andrew Yang so how
important it is for you to talk about politics and to share your opinion and
especially about that candidate yeah obviously like on my social media I try
to talk about it less now because I’ve learned over the years that right now
the social media is like I believe this I believe this and then you just keep
talking but nobody listens nobody’s gonna change their mind it’s so it’s a
waste of time Andrew yang is different you know I
think like people on he’s like I’m not right I’m not left
I’m forward and I think he unites you know in a way both sides and he’s not
involved in that sort of hatred and neck and back and forth so I like him I think
that he could win if he were to win the nomination which obviously is unlikely
to happen I do think he would be the most likely to beat Trump as of now I’m
very concerned very concerned that if they run who or is in the front right
now that Trump will win and win easy in this in this country and noticin I’m I’m
embarrassed to say it but that’s more likely to happen than not because you
know there’s a lot it’s a lot of strange but I didn’t I don’t want to insult
people too much but Trump is an idiot and he speaks well to
idiots and they understand what he’s saying so you know
c’est la vie yeah set is gonna be upset when you show but you know Daniel we gonna free you Thanks you “merci merci beaucoup”
to be with us tonight it’s 1:45 p.m.
1:45 yeah for you merci beaucoup we hope to see you in
Paris next year maybe for some big poker tournaments yeah because all the other
like poker poker clubs reopened right so I didn’t know if you know about that. But
the aviation is open again ? so we are we are tonight with the the new owner of
the old AVIATION CLUB DE FRANCE Bonsoir, it’s not it’s now a Barriere you
know Barriere. Oh yes of course yes maybe the well my wife loves Paris she
loves it there so maybe we’ll make a trip and make a vacation of it so we
come for the poker and then also you know see the city a little bit yeah
perfect perfect thank you very much very much it’s great to have you Bye Bye